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bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not hit a home run last night. >> so at this point as a nation, in our entire history as a country, we have had four national attempts of a challenger making his television debate debut against the sitting president of the united states. and after doing this four times as a nation, the record for incumbent presidents facing these challengers is 0-4. okay. so now 1996, incumbent president is that now not as young man from arkansas, bill clinton, and his challenger that year is bob dole. did bob dole really beat incumbent bill clinton in their first debate? actually, no
bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not...
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bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney and a lot of things he said shouldn't have been too surprising given all the republican debates we had seen over the past year or so. and president obama was caught flat-footed, his campaign was flat-footed. we'll see if the adjustments they end up making as david axelrod promised. >> what's the early word on the vice presidential debates? you have democrats off the record worried knowing that biden could give a make moment or a break moment. >> it's most watched tv. it's important to note that paul ryan has never been on this stage before. joe biden, given he's run for president twice, i
bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney...
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>>> joining me today, msnbc contributor sam stein of the "the huffington post," former hillary clinton adviser and deputy new york city mayor howard wolfson, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and buzz feed editor in chief always busy ben smith. the first presidential debate that hour and a half spectacle of ob fewcation, confusion, triumph and exhaustion may be ancient history by the end of today, maybe. new numbers show the nation's unemployed rate dropped to 7.8%. the lowest number since president obama took office in 2009. while the economy added a relatively modest 114,000 jobs in september, new revisions show that july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than originally reported. needless to say, those numbers put a certain pep back in president obama's step. >> more americans entered the work force, more people are getting jobs. now every month reminds us that we've still got too many of our friends and neighbors looking for work. today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's
>>> joining me today, msnbc contributor sam stein of the "the huffington post," former hillary clinton adviser and deputy new york city mayor howard wolfson, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and buzz feed editor in chief always busy ben smith. the first presidential debate that hour and a half spectacle of ob fewcation, confusion, triumph and exhaustion may be ancient history by the end of today, maybe. new numbers show the nation's unemployed rate...
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. >> i think bill clinton would call this number lower, just simple arithmetic. jan schakowsky, thank you for joining me this morning. >> and happy birthday to you. >> thank you. thank you so much. we want to show you those numbers, 7.8% unemployment, the low nest nearly to yours. employers adding nearly 114,000 new jobs. the 7.8% rate is the same as when president obama took office back in january of '09. now, it claimed to 10% in october of that year before then starting to fall. last month unemployment dropping among adult men and women and also in teens, but it's still a whopping 23.7% for that last group. now, here is how we break it down. it dropped among whites, african-americans, hispanics, and asians, but unemployment among african-americans and hispanics remains well above the national average. joining me now is cbs contributor ron insana who is also host of a syndicated radio program called the market scoreboard report and with us from waution, jared bernstein, former economist for joe biden. it's good to have you here. jared, i start with you. as we l
. >> i think bill clinton would call this number lower, just simple arithmetic. jan schakowsky, thank you for joining me this morning. >> and happy birthday to you. >> thank you. thank you so much. we want to show you those numbers, 7.8% unemployment, the low nest nearly to yours. employers adding nearly 114,000 new jobs. the 7.8% rate is the same as when president obama took office back in january of '09. now, it claimed to 10% in october of that year before then starting to...
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obviously bill clinton comes to mind, he excelled in those debates. >> bill clinton was the master of the town hall format. he made such a great, strong emotional connection with the people asking the questions. just in an absolutely masterful way. i think it favors candidates who have that particular style, but what it does tend to do is discourage a lot of attacks among the candidates on the stage, because it's really hard to do that, it's hard to pull that off when you've got a group of citizens who are there to ask their questions. that's not a very good venue for one candidate to launch an attack against another. >> one of the side notes from last night was governor romney's big bird reference on twitter, it's been talked about today. you say governor romney has a history of making cultural references or pop culture references that don't necessarily help his message. how so? >> well, you know, his pop culture references are just a little off somehow. they're out of date in some ways. during the primary debates, he made a reference to, that as governor of massachusetts, he didn't
obviously bill clinton comes to mind, he excelled in those debates. >> bill clinton was the master of the town hall format. he made such a great, strong emotional connection with the people asking the questions. just in an absolutely masterful way. i think it favors candidates who have that particular style, but what it does tend to do is discourage a lot of attacks among the candidates on the stage, because it's really hard to do that, it's hard to pull that off when you've got a group...
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the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this one, his so-called ask mitt anything events where he did take questions from people. he showed humor and the kind of fluidness and personality that he showed in the depate ba in those events and people that think this format clearly favors the president i don't think are right. >> but you know, one advantage that mitt romney won't have, barack obama will not be unprepared for the second debate the way he was for the first one. he's a competitive guy, we know he wants to win this election, he's smart. i have to believe he is going to focus and prepare in a way he did not the first time around. >> and
the conventional wisdom has been because everybody has bill clinton in their mind that the democrat, president obama, will do better in the town hall relating and empathizing and showing he connects to people. i'm not so sure about this president. >> well, i'm not so sure, although both of them will be -- i think the strongest mitt romney has been in my experience as a presidential candidate on the debate the other night was the events he did in both cycles last campaign in 2008 and this...
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there are moments during the debates with hillary clinton where you wanted him to be more aggressive. he's just not -- that's not his approach to debating and i don't know if he will ever be a guy who's going to be able to throw a knockout punch. but overall, i don't think he created any problems for himself moving forward like mitt romney may have. it is going to be up to democrats to take advantage of some of the opportunities that romney gave. romney won the night but it may have ultimately hurt him down the road if the president's campaign and if democrats are smart about going after some of the statements that romney made. >> eliot: i have somebody who is going to call both of you to help you deal with reality for the next couple of days. democratic strategist doug thornel and tim dickinson, thank you for your time tonight. what we were waiting to hear last night but didn't. that's ahead. >> eliot: amid all of the speck lake that eye can could become a nuclear threat -- speculation that iran could become a nuclear threat, the sanctions are working which brings us to the number of
there are moments during the debates with hillary clinton where you wanted him to be more aggressive. he's just not -- that's not his approach to debating and i don't know if he will ever be a guy who's going to be able to throw a knockout punch. but overall, i don't think he created any problems for himself moving forward like mitt romney may have. it is going to be up to democrats to take advantage of some of the opportunities that romney gave. romney won the night but it may have ultimately...
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and i think he has been treated much worse than bill clinton was treated. >> jamal: okay. we'll go next to bill. thanks for calling. >> caller: i might as well just say it, as a man of color, it's a dog whistle. because just understand he didn't add the other part it to lazy and the next thing that will come out with the n bomb because this being him perceived as other, as less as something ill legitimate and this has been the ongoing commentary on the right since he became president and they don't think they need to listen to this man because of his skin color, and they don't think he is legitimate because of that, and only though 53% of the american population voted for him, and thought he was the best pick between himself and john mccain. this is ridiculous. and this is something that earn wants to talk about, post racial politics, and there is no such thing. we're nowhere near it. >> jamal: michael dawson said i don't want you to be post racial just be post racist. don't treat me differently because i'm a black man. people talk about barack obama going into the debate
and i think he has been treated much worse than bill clinton was treated. >> jamal: okay. we'll go next to bill. thanks for calling. >> caller: i might as well just say it, as a man of color, it's a dog whistle. because just understand he didn't add the other part it to lazy and the next thing that will come out with the n bomb because this being him perceived as other, as less as something ill legitimate and this has been the ongoing commentary on the right since he became...
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hillary clinton. what was her greatest achievement? let's look at the picture you took of her. you had to fight through the staff to get near it. that is a gorgeous picture. >> thank you. >> great photography. she should really want to have that picture. >> i wanted to give it to her for her campaign. >> got a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of office. your thoughts of her as a person and a public figure. >> she is very gracious and very brilliant and we're so lucky to have her. >> my feeling about hillary and i've been tough on her and i take it all back. i do it every week. politics is rough and journalism on politics is tough. i'm with her, when i'm with her i fall for her. there is a claharm that doesn't come across on tv. >> well she is. she is brilliant. >> we know that. >> she does an incredible job. but she is also real. when i first got here in the house and then my husband and i married and i was expecting twins, you know, the president and secretary clinton invited us over for dinner. we went upstai
hillary clinton. what was her greatest achievement? let's look at the picture you took of her. you had to fight through the staff to get near it. that is a gorgeous picture. >> thank you. >> great photography. she should really want to have that picture. >> i wanted to give it to her for her campaign. >> got a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of office. your thoughts of her as a person and a public...
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one of the main reasons record surpluses under bill clinton were turned into record deficits under george bush is because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card. and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. we are not going to let this country fall backward, not now, not with so much at stake. we have got to move forward. we need to invest in small business, and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers, train 2 million workers at community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. we need to -- we need to cut our oil imports in half, create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work, doing me nation building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that's how you strengthen the middle class. that's how you keep moving forward. that is the choice in this election and that
one of the main reasons record surpluses under bill clinton were turned into record deficits under george bush is because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card. and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. we are not going to let this country fall backward, not now, not with so much at stake. we have got to move forward. we need to invest in small business, and manufacturers...
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hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so lucky to have her as our -- >> my feeling about hillary, i take it back again, i really do, because politics is rough and journalism and politics is tough but every time i'm with her, i just fall for her. there's a charm for that person that doesn't come across on tvs as well as it should. your thoughts, senator? >> well, she is. she's brilliant. but she is also real. when i first got here in the house and then my husband and i married and i was expecting twins, you know, the president and secretary clinton invited us over for dinner. we went upstairs and had chicken in the residence quarters and she had
hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so...
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one day in 1992, the town hall where bill clinton was much more able to relate to the common people than president bush. there have been cases where al gore was thought to have won in these instant poles against george bush. instead. the polls moved against gore after a couple of days. mitt romney accomplished what he needed to on wednesday night. i think it will probably move the numbers by maybe two points, 2.5 points in his direction. you have to worry if you're romney that maybe people have made their decision up but it's too late. he gave the best effort he could, where president obama did not have his strongest night. >> would you say it it was a game changer? it moved the direction he wants. is it the game changer he needs? >> the analogy i like to use as a sports fan romney was down by a field goal, sets himself up where if he scores again say with a bod job support on friday or there are two more debates then it looks like a very winnable election for him. i don't think it was going to be enough to move the polls into a romney lead or a tie by itself. we'll have to see. one poll
one day in 1992, the town hall where bill clinton was much more able to relate to the common people than president bush. there have been cases where al gore was thought to have won in these instant poles against george bush. instead. the polls moved against gore after a couple of days. mitt romney accomplished what he needed to on wednesday night. i think it will probably move the numbers by maybe two points, 2.5 points in his direction. you have to worry if you're romney that maybe people have...
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for that matter, good economic numbers helped bill clinton in 1996. back then, conservatives and republicans didn't make this kind of stuff up. but what's also insidious here is that the people who collect economic data for our government are really good. they really care about the integrity of their numbers. if there was something wrong here, they would cry to the heavens to say, somebody is manipulating these numbers. >> yeah, but the point is, if somebody was manipulating the numbers, why have high unemployment numbers in the first place? the problem, e.j. -- and i want you to weigh in on this, too, joan, they are now reaching to find a rational for why romney is running. if unemployment is now going down, if you have 30 months of private job creation, if you have bin laden dead, why is romney running? that's the problem they are getting if these numbers are out and they are out and they are valid numbers. >> he's losing rationale, and, you know, he began to lie today on the campaign trail because i think he said, what's happening is that people ar
for that matter, good economic numbers helped bill clinton in 1996. back then, conservatives and republicans didn't make this kind of stuff up. but what's also insidious here is that the people who collect economic data for our government are really good. they really care about the integrity of their numbers. if there was something wrong here, they would cry to the heavens to say, somebody is manipulating these numbers. >> yeah, but the point is, if somebody was manipulating the numbers,...
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i think during the last -- when clinton was in, he balanced the budget. when bush and got it, they spent money like it was going out of style. >> is your vote going to barack obama this time? >> yes. i feel that he is qualified in every phase of the government. i do not think romney knows enough about foreign policy. i think he will get us into a war if he keeps saying what he is saying. >> we will hear about for a policy more in the debate in florida. -- foreign policy it in the debate in florida. >> last night was an important night for the country. [cheers and applause] the got the chance to cut through of all the attacks and counterattacks associate with the campaign. instead they're able to listen to substance. i appreciated the fact that jim lehrer asked questions about substance. i was able to ask the president, why did he focus on obamacare when we have millions of people out of work? [applause] why isn't that the middle class is the bird in this country? why we have so many people out of work? -- why is it that the middle class is a paraburied in
i think during the last -- when clinton was in, he balanced the budget. when bush and got it, they spent money like it was going out of style. >> is your vote going to barack obama this time? >> yes. i feel that he is qualified in every phase of the government. i do not think romney knows enough about foreign policy. i think he will get us into a war if he keeps saying what he is saying. >> we will hear about for a policy more in the debate in florida. -- foreign policy it in...
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wrong -- i've watched the convention speeches and i thought joe biden, with the possibility of bill clinton, made the best speech. >> absolutely. he will bring it. >> and i think joe biden will destroy paul ryan. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> i think you're wrong. >> are you absolutely wrong. when you -- when you let joe biden go, when you let vice president go offscript and on his own like you have to do in a debate, he is a gaffe machine. vice president gaffe will show up next week. >> thank you. a foot and mouth. >> congressman ryan, a very measured person. >> that's all the time i have. >> i'll get my chains out, guys. my chains ready. >> measured is not a good thing in debates and luckily, tonight, none of you were measured. thank you very much. maria, crystal, brett, come back soon. >> i met mitt romney three times, and i want to extend a special invitation to somebody who keeps saying no to me. president obama. you never know when, but thieves can stealnow your identity and turn your life upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge ca
wrong -- i've watched the convention speeches and i thought joe biden, with the possibility of bill clinton, made the best speech. >> absolutely. he will bring it. >> and i think joe biden will destroy paul ryan. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> i think you're wrong. >> are you absolutely wrong. when you -- when you let joe biden go, when you let vice president go offscript and on his own like you have to do in a debate, he is a gaffe machine. vice president...
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barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus -- >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin and not have these basic answers? >> well, it's more the format i think than not having the answers. he spent a lot of the evening going after mitt romney for things that he thinks he can win the election on like taxes and medicare. it wasn't like he never responded to him. >> isn't the format in washington that you get in a room with someone and you go at it and try and figure it out? >> and that's what we're asking. has he been too isolated? listen, we talked to him -- the guy is brilliant. he really is. but has he become so isolated there's n
barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus --...
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the problem is worse than it appears even looking at the chart. >> bush/clinton you can get the number and it's 5.3. >> 5.3 or 4.9, if you take out this recession. you don't want to take it all out, maybe take out the magnitude of it. where we need to go back to is a debate for the fed and the markets as well. >> i wish you had a participation rate that was adjusted for demos and just so we could compare apples and apples. >> i'm working on that. the trouble is, joe, it's hard to work with government data. it's really become -- >> not that hard. watch what they're able to do today. >> i've been working on this. i'm trying to find how much of this is old folks retiring, seniors -- old folks is the wrong word these days and kids dropping out going to school. there's a piece of each one. >> i wish we could have that standardized number for what the participation rate is in, i don't know what normal is, and so then we could figure out exactly where we are and what it feels like to people. because if we went back to the participation rate where we were five years ago we're at 11%, what it f
the problem is worse than it appears even looking at the chart. >> bush/clinton you can get the number and it's 5.3. >> 5.3 or 4.9, if you take out this recession. you don't want to take it all out, maybe take out the magnitude of it. where we need to go back to is a debate for the fed and the markets as well. >> i wish you had a participation rate that was adjusted for demos and just so we could compare apples and apples. >> i'm working on that. the trouble is, joe,...
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[applause] one of the main reasons record surpluses under bill clinton were turned into record deficits under george bush because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. [cheers and applause] we are not going to let this country fall backward, not now, not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small business and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers. train two million workers in community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. [cheers and applause] we need to cut our oil imports in half, create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from end the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work doing some nation-building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that is how the you strengthen the middle class. that is how you keep moving forward. that is
[applause] one of the main reasons record surpluses under bill clinton were turned into record deficits under george bush because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. [cheers and applause] we are not going to let this country fall backward, not now, not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small...
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it was the most watched debate since 1992, take you back, that was clinton. clinton. the first president bush, and ross perot. remember ross perot? that was -- that was quite an election. >> lots of fodder for "saturday night live." >> whew, was it. i think it was dana car i have who did it. >> dana car i have, yeah. >> democratic operatives were hoping no one was watching the debate. which they knew wasn't the case. but -- >> people thought maybe 40 million, 50 million. 67 million no one expected the number. so that really compounds how bad it was. the president had a bad night that many people watching. again, that's momentum for romney to ride. he is. >> doesn't compare to the ratings for this show. nowhere near. nowhere near. >> 67 million. child's play for the overnight. please. >>> well, a disagreement over politics got so heated that police say a south florida man slapped his own wife. 74-year-old jay hurley broke down in tears as he appeared before a broward county judge. hurley says he loves his wife but they got into an argument over dinner about the candida
it was the most watched debate since 1992, take you back, that was clinton. clinton. the first president bush, and ross perot. remember ross perot? that was -- that was quite an election. >> lots of fodder for "saturday night live." >> whew, was it. i think it was dana car i have who did it. >> dana car i have, yeah. >> democratic operatives were hoping no one was watching the debate. which they knew wasn't the case. but -- >> people thought maybe 40...